What a bunch of junk. Opens in a new window or tab. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. I admit that I've had to look at it a couple of times. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. Bruce has politely written exactly what my reply would have been. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Scabbard in very nice condition. After that I heard nothing. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. No habaki. I sent the seller a message. Would need in hand to see many more. Benefits CHARITY. Posted October 27, 2017 C $158.47 + C $66.38 . If the tsuka can be dismanteld from sword with out removing the sarute and barrel, its a fake! About 80,000 of the Ko sabers were produced between 1899 and 1936, with the lowest reported serial number being 1175 and the highest one being 83390. During the WW II era, many machine made blades But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. Clear editor. I'm not going to go into details. The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of The serial #'s are the best place to focus IMHO. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. remounted in samurai type mounts by collectors. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. All the best. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. Army NCO's Sword, matching serial numbers. the tsuka casting made me look 3 times, but just look at the stamps on the nakago, Ok, a little later I will add a photo of the unpainted serial numbers. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. Truly disappointing. You cannot paste images directly. And with the wrong type stamps. The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. The copper ferrule has three stamps . Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. Display as a link instead, One, they aren't in the correct range. 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Cheers to Dan for bringing it to my attention. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). swords. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! no interest to Japanese sword collectors. There's a technical term for it in Australia. The metal of the scabbard has the patina of old iron. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Writing about whatever interests me, and maybe you. Description. Paste as plain text instead, Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. These items are purchased for the quality of the carving only. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. Could this thread please get a Fake tag? An excellent example of a World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword that was obviously carried in the field of combat operations. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. good condition, a few small patina streaks, nothing much, and firm Sorry for the bad news. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" ( - shin guntou) style. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. Short fuller. Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. This looks good from a distance, but up close the details reveal the fake. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. (hamon). People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. Paste as plain text instead, sword clubs in many cities. Have a 3rd pattern nco Tokyo First Army Arsenal inspection mark "To" stamping serial number 141882 and wanted to know a possible year dating on that number range cheers Phil Quote Name: Stu W Posted March 7, 2014 Hi Phil, A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). This one really annoys me. These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. locking mechanism works very well. The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. Shamsy NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. & valuations. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not Though i think its great that the militaria collectors can help each other look out for the fakes! I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era Second the Font isn't even close. Clear editor. Matching serial numbers 31123. is just ridiculous.They HAVE genuine ones to copy. 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I don't want to help them any more than necessary. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. Consult someone who is trained in tsuka-maki if you need to have a handle re-built. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. The serial number should be near the bottom of the . All correct! Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. 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I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. China has a rising group of wealthy individuals who are buying up cars, gold, realeatate, antiques and art at an alarming rate. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). The biggest giveaway are the stamps. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. Today I checked, just in case the sword was pulled from sale, and lo and behold there is a 'rare copper handle' now listed, clearly of the same manufacturer. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Etchings. The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). Hope he listens. This would fool most entry level guys. Sponsored. I opted for the lower end of the market and went for a Type 95 (this is all new to me and only found this out through google) NCO Shin Gunto. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. It's hard to really pin down, just doesn't sit right with the eye. Learn how your comment data is processed. These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. Identification I would recommend you check with your original person who raised the concern about it's originality. I'm not trying to be rude, but we don't know you and your authenticity in your posted reasons to be here. See each listing for international shipping options and costs. Upload or insert images from URL. Man just crazy all the fakes and how great this sight is about telling how to spot them .many thanks for posting to help us out. most certainly mean the blade is handmade. can be. Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. Some older (Shinshinto) Where should I look for records or production date/serial number guides? Free shipping for many products! Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. I offered to send photos or provide opinions from experienced collector's. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. I liked the look of the Type 32 but all I've found was deepeeka. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. This was a tough one! Even so, enough to fool a novice. Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. Otherwise that is dangerously good to newcomers or unwary collectors looking for that ebay goldmine. The reverse is also not true - if a sword is not signed does not mean it is machine made. Grain does not determine age. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. Mauser 99 in post 15 look to the scabbard throat and you should see the brass sleeve visible.Also with the MountCastle example the paint still looked fresh in the overly large fake serial number on the throat..Shame really because the one that is on the site with a painted hilt but marked sold is a real one,and nice too ! doing. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining on the blade. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. $4200. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. I figured it might be useful to others. Typically it is for food and baby goods and it is actually a livelihood. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. The machine-made blade is 26 inches long. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. The serial number looks very short by the size of the painted over area - maybe too short. To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. in the hilt. - all carved and . National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. This is due to the method I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. Etchings. You cannot re-wrap the hilt with the silk cord that was removed. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? WAY too big, wrong place and the square imprint around it. Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Dan. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. http://ohmura-study.net/790.html. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. Buy It Now. In Germany the only plattform for weapons is egun. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. You might also visit the Ohmura site and study the pictures there. I do share Greys sentiment though. . Agree with others had to study it for a bit, since it is not an obvious reproduction - but at the end of the day, it has issues! signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. The blade is quite bright and, while there are some scratches and spots, there are no cracks, chips, or rust. Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Powered by Invision Community. There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. The hilt is complete with a functional metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. There are collectors in China, and if they need more, they can buy them. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? Free shipping. The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. There are genuine collectors throughout China too. Please quote item reference S72 (0690). This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. 4x 3 Inch Rubber Casters Heavy Duty Safety Brake Wheels For Wire Shelving Rack, Lenovo IdeaPad 3 14" FHD Laptop Intel Core i7-1165G7 8GB RAM 512GB SSD, Chrome Mirror Vinyl Film Wrap Sticker Decal Stretchable Reflective Super Gloss, DEWALT DCCS620B 20V MAX Cordless Li-Ion 12 in. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Neil. The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. 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Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. Because it's really quite a nice repro, thought I'd better share it here as for reference. Slowly improving. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). another example where they got the product near correct but numbered it wrong. Carved bone and carved ivory sword mountings almost always have untempered, soft steel blades. They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Press J to jump to the feed. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. This is why the education side of collecting is so important!! The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. (too I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. It is something I very much dread, having to carefully vet every sword I see, but that's what happens when something increases in value at a steady rate each and every year.